Except that logic does not fail. Everything can be proved by logic: that's what science is. The use of logical reasoning to confirm or deny potential hypotheses. There are ways to not use logic correctly (these are called fallacies), but the idea itslef has been proven (ironically through logic) time and time again.

except you can use logic to prove anything.

Flying Spaghetti Monsters.

If god exists, so does a flying spaghtti monster.  The only real measure for religion is faith, you can choose to believe or not, just leave it at that.

try on that logic for size...

If God exists, He can choose whether the universe operates in such a way that you can prove that he does-or doesn't.

So even if you prove he doesn't, he might.  And if you happen to prove that he does, it's possible he might not, with the first instance being that he did, but has since died (which would seem to contradict the idea of being God, but the Catholic church resolved this long ago-if something disproves the existence of or otherwise contradicts God, then that's the way God designed it, the end, no explanation or reasoning required), so if God wanted to he could die, which brings us to if God wanted to he could not exist.

Imagine that: God creates the universe and then decides not to exist.

The point is that the entire concept of a God, a higher being for which there are no other higher beings, defies logic, in more ways than one.  It may or may not exist, but it can't be proven (or disproven, for that matter).

In fact its impossible for us to use science to prove god exists, because based off the religiouse beleifs about God such a being would have to exist outside of our dimensions. God is supposed to be omnipresnent; and exsist in and see all time at once. This is a belief held by ancient faiths long before science began to understand our 4 (known) dimensions. All science depends on (currently) things that exist in our 4 dimensions.

It is interesting to note that before the universe was created there was no time or space. Time and space exist with matter. Outside of our universe theoreticaly there is no dimensions. Today scientist know that space is continuing to expand one day space will expand so much atoms will break apart and even the most basic subatomic particles will fall apart. So along with the expansion of matter in our universe there is an expansion of dimensions so out side of our universe there cannot be dimensions.

The point is: its possible for things to exist outside of the 4 dimensions. its just impossible for our brains to fully grasp as we are dependent upon them. Religion seemed to have a grasp on things outside of our Universe long before science did. Just an interesting thought. It doesnt prove God exists it just shows it might be possible for an exta-dimensional being to exist that is not confined by our science.

Another thought

Matter cannot be created or destroyed. The Universe is comprised of matter and it exists despite a law that says it should not.

Scientist have traced it back to when it was the size of pin head. All the matter in the universe compressed to the size of a pin head should have been held by gravity. yet it expanded...

Im not trying to use these things to say God exists but im just saying its... interesting

 
Im not trying to use these things to say God exists but im just saying its... interesting

 
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I have taken tests when I tried to trick the teacher in giving me more information;  they never gave me anything more.

The choice is left to men.  You can't prove or disprove Him; you can only go by faith.

You aren't supposed to try and prove something doesn't exist. You assume something doesn't exist until evidence proves otherwise.

Believing in things that you have no evidence for is pretty much the definition of insanity. We are just more lenient if those things are deities or prophets instead of pink elephants.

Last I knew there was a debate wether or not on the quantum level if matter wasn't actually appearing and vanishing constantly all around us.

Likewise the big bang is hardly surprising. You can crush so much matter to only so far before it reacts extremely violently.

Also there is no reason to believe that existence hasn't always existed, indeed dark matter is currently the best (I've seen) explanation for various phenomena in space. For all we know is that at a certain point on the extreme expansion of the universe this unseen material might act like a coil and yank it all back into an almost infinitely small point. This processess happening an infinitely many times across an infinitely long time.

I find that much more reasonable than assuming that we or the Earth is somehow special. Especially since they've recently found Methane on mars (A short lived gas that almost guaruntees life at least at the microbial life) and water on Io (and I believe an Atmosphere on Eurorpa might have those backwards). So basically at this point in our very close proximity we've likely already found life, and in the case of Io we are likely to discover a vibrant ocean beneath the ice. In the unfathomably large expanse all around us there is surely at least microbial life and I'd say almost certainly larger organisms.

But people like being special, so obviously some sort of all seeing deity is a handy tool to cope with. Even if it becomes a chore trying to explain the various problems associated with there being one.

As for why God and Science are not and cannot ever be one in the same: http://www.islesofscion.net/2009/01/30/does-god-negate-existence-or-at-least-natural-law/

Then for funsies: http://www.islesofscion.net/2009/03/10/adam-and-eve-god-was-a-terrible-parent/

Then finally if you want to look into various issues I have with the topic: http://www.islesofscion.net/?s=god

too many posts to read them all this late. here is my opinion. God(/devil for bad things depending on religeon) is whatever cannot be explained by science. Since the study of science almost always creates more questions than it answers, there will always be room for god. in the past people didnt know why miscarrages happened....umm... its the devil. how was everything made? God. where is god? Up, we cant go up so god must be up. Now we know a lot more, we can say as certainly as possible that god is not "up", if you want science how about out of sync with our time. now we know how people die, cancer, diabetis, etc. now we ask why do certain people die and others live, god knows. in the beginning there was the big bang. what about before the big bang? umm god.  That is my theory anyway.

Also a quote similar to the "the greeks would consider us gods" line in the op.

"sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" imagine the effect of a firecracker in ancient greece.

Even if you accept that as the definition, it doesn't mean you are accepting that the thing being defined actually exists.  I could accept the definition of "Unicorn" as "A magical horse with a horn on its head", but that doesn't mean I am agreeing that unicorns actually exist.  Even if the definition specifically calls out existence as a trait, it doesn't mean you are agreeing that such a thing actually exists when you say you understand the definition of the word.  I could say I understand that the definition of "Existant Unicorn" is "A unicorn that actually exists", but that doesn't mean I agree that unicorns actually exist.

Really?  Because I'd think thousands of years of violence and war done in the name of religious, political, and ethical opinions prove that absolutely no one agrees on what's great and what's not.

But it is.  You can't just hand wave it and say "Nah, we all agree on what makes a great god".  What makes a great god?  What do you say to people who disagree and think that your version of god is awful?  I, personally, think most versions of god that I've heard about sound like prudish, psychotically intolerant fascists... not really great at all.

I'd say that you can't.  If you can't imagine what god is like, and you can't say what qualities makes him great, then you can't use logic to prove anything that rests on this idea that you have an actual definition of the word "God".  The word "god" is fairly meaningless as long as those using it refuse to give it any actual qualities.

It doesn't, for the reasons above; it's a base assertion fallacy.  "Something exists in the mind" and "It would be rad if it actually existed" doesn't imply "Something actually exists."  The only way you can get that is if you start off saying "Assume that Something exists..."  and if you do that, the argument (any logical argument, really) is pointless... of course if you assume something exists you can prove it exists under that assumption.

I, personally would like to exist.  But I would say a George W Bush that existed only in the mind would be "greater" than a GWB that actually exists.

I'd say that's fine, but like I said, this part of the argument doesn't really matter that much.  The fallacy is in thinking that because you have proved that existance would need to be a part of the definition you are creating for a word, that it proves that the thing represented by the word actually does exist.

The logic only "fails" because it's faulty logic.  That's like showing someone the equation "2 + 2 = cow" and saying "Clearly, mathematics is useless for figuring out the area of a circle."  Just because some people are bad at math doesn't mean math itself is faulty.

Again, I think this comes down to linguistics.  I would say that "lacking all qualities of existence, like provability or physicality" is exactly what the word "nonexistant" means.  You're saying that there is this thing which, in every possible way, is exactly the same as a lack of that thing.  A thing that in every way appears to be nonexistant.  That's what nonexistant means.  You can't say that this thing "exists", because that renders the word "exists" completely meaningless.  What would be the difference between a sandwich that doesn't exist, and a sandwich that exists but has absolutely no qualities of existence?

Actually, logic is limited, but it works anywhere in this universe. The only place it may break down would be another universe/dimension where the basic laws of how things work do not apply. Even then, most of it would remain the same.