Musings about the world around me, the world I create in my mind, and the world I am escaping to in a game.

Has it ever occured to anyone that, over the course of history, humans often come to the conclusion that anything that cannot be explained at the moment is automatically considered to be supernatural? For example, the Greeks. They had a god for just about anything that they could not explain with their means of science or technology at the time. How else could they explain the torrent of fire and molten lava that spwes out of a volcano? By claiming that Hephasteus is simply working in his forge of course.

But fast forward to today. And we know that isn't the case. The advent of computers, automobiles, airplanes, etc etc etc, would simply astound the Ancient Greeks. They would consider us gods. They would be unable to speak out of pure awe.

And since science is never ending in the sense that, with each question answered, more questions are formed... we still do not have a logical explanation for God. That being that supposedly judges us from afar, and moves through us all.

Think about it though... what if we just haven't reached the technological threshold to explain it yet?

It could be possible, that "God" is nothing more than a wave that interacts with our matter. Influencing our decisions with maybe electrical impulses or something similar. Religion is making "god" more important than it really is. With the advent of more powerful technology, we may be able to see what it is that moves through us all. More than likely, it is just another force of nature. It justs exists. It is there, always has been. But it is not a being, it is not something to worship... it is just not something we can understand. YET.

Basically, what I am trying to say is, we humans have proven over time that with the advent of better technology we can understand the ways of nature around us. So what's to stop us from unlocking the secrets of the universe? As well as explaining what "god" really is? We just can't comprehend it yet... but we will in time I think. Just like we did with volcanoes, oceans, telephones, airplanes, etc etc etc.

Religion is powerful in many ways no doubt. It helps certain people get through rough times, and to them, it explains the way things are as well giving them a code of ethics that they can follow. But religion is also on a way ticket to being obsolete. If science can bridge the gap between the two, what now?

Now just so everyone knows, I am not trying to attack anyones beliefs, I am merely wondering outloud if the above could be the case. I would also like to hear what other people have to say. Please be open-minded, and rational.

I will explain in better detail some ideas that I have heard as well some of my own if a great dialogue can be established.


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on May 06, 2009

Makeshiftwings:

My own opinion:

"God is man trying to ignore how science does it."  

If you replace the word "God" with the word "Religion" I'd have to agree with you, at least to some extent.  I've talked to religious people who seem to bend over backwards trying to deny anything science has to teach us.  One guy said that science can't possibly accurately measure distances in space.  When I asked him why NASA engineers could accurately "guess" where Mars would be when the Rover was supposed to enter it's atmosphere... he had no answer... but he was still insistent that science can't possibly measure distances in space.

I understand people choosing science or spiritual, but I can't find anywhere in any scripture that tells me that I'm supposed to ignore the things of the physical simply because I accept the spiritual.  For that matter, while there are many who tell me that the physical proves that can't be a spiritual, I haven't seen any proof of that either.

 

But I did get a laugh from your paraphrase. ;~D

on May 06, 2009

ParaTed2k
Makeshiftwings:
My own opinion:
"God is man trying to ignore how science does it."  

If you replace the word "God" with the word "Religion" I'd have to agree with you, at least to some extent.  I've talked to religious people who seem to bend over backwards trying to deny anything science has to teach us.  One guy said that science can't possibly accurately measure distances in space.  When I asked him why NASA engineers could accurately "guess" where Mars would be when the Rover was supposed to enter it's atmosphere... he had no answer... but he was still insistent that science can't possibly measure distances in space.

I understand people choosing science or spiritual, but I can't find anywhere in any scripture that tells me that I'm supposed to ignore the things of the physical simply because I accept the spiritual.  For that matter, while there are many who tell me that the physical proves that can't be a spiritual, I haven't seen any proof of that either.

 

But I did get a laugh from your paraphrase. ;~D

Man dont confuce spirituality with religion!
I am spiritual AND very sientific, and the fact im spiritual dosnt mean im religious, as i am not..

on May 06, 2009

Man dont confuse spirituality with religion!
I am spiritual AND very sientific, and the fact im spiritual dosnt mean im religious, as i am not..

That's a very good point!

Religion is a set of rules, spirituality is an approach to faith. One can be religious and spiritual or one of the two or neither.

 

on May 06, 2009

When I asked him why NASA engineers could accurately "guess" where Mars would be when the Rover was supposed to enter it's atmosphere... he had no answer... but he was still insistent that science can't possibly measure distances in space.

Nothing ever landed on Mars. It was a sound stage on Pluto!

 

on May 06, 2009

I have a little video link I would like to give to all of you.  I find it quite interesting, it is just under an hour in length. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liMmvu9eMrg , I hope some of you find it as interesting as I did. 

on May 06, 2009

I hope some of you find it as interesting as I did.

Any hint what it might be about?

 

on May 06, 2009

Leauki


Any hint what it might be about?

 

 

'Why We Believe in Gods'  I found it quite interesting.  The Dr. giveing the talk appears in the current Discover Magazine.

on May 06, 2009

Coca Cola:

Man dont confuce spirituality with religion!

I am spiritual AND very sientific, and the fact im spiritual dosnt mean im religious, as i am not..

I think of the two pretty much interchangeably, but that is mostly because my religious and spiritual beliefs are inseparable.  I do understand that many people think of them as different, and that works too.

on May 06, 2009

'Why We Believe in Gods'

I believe in G-d because my parents told me that there is one.

Essentially I believe in G-d for the same reason that I don't wet my pants.

 

 

on May 06, 2009

Interesting, I didn't know that. Which ones?

I thought the Protestant Reformation abolished the priestly office and doesn't acknowledge the Sacrament of Holy Orders. It repudiates anything of sacerdotalism or of a priesthood distinct by its very nature from the condition of the laity.

A Catholic priest receives the very priesthood of Christ in the order of Melchidechech indelibly stamped on his soul by the Sacrament of Holy Orders. He is forever consecrated and raised to a sacred dignity above all other levels. 

It's in the article I linked to.

Protestant

The general priesthood or the priesthood of all believers, is a Christian doctrine derived from several passages of the New Testament. It is a foundational concept of Protestantism.[7] It is this doctrine that Martin Luther adduces in his 1520 To the Christian Nobility of the German Nation in order to dismiss the medieval Christian belief that Christians were to be divided into two classes: "spiritual" and "temporal" or non-spiritual.

Ordained Protestant clergy often have the title of pastor, minister, etc. In Scandinavian Lutheran national Churches which have episcopal polity, ordained clergy are called priests.

It doesn't specifically list priest in the titles list, however there are several, mostly they are the more radical churches, however they do exist. What a church wishes to refer to their clergy has can change even within a religious designation.

on May 06, 2009

As far as I know the "priesthood of all believers" is a doctrine that says that all Christians are priests. It does not establish a Lutharan priesthood comparable to the Catholic system.

German Lutheranism doesn't have priests and does not refer to its clergy as priests.

 

on May 06, 2009

I believe in God because of what I have experienced in my own life. I have experienced things that cannot be explained by science, but that I know to be true and real. I researched religions and found one that fits my beliefs. My parents would probably fight with me to no end on sevarl parts of what I believe.

I consider myself to be a Christian, but I don't claim a denomination nor do I claim a church. You can be Christian and yet not go to church or even tell anyone about it. What belief system you follow is up to you. I've seen more than one person who claims they are Christian and all their religion consists of is going to church when they feel like it or in order to secure their place in the afterlife, but don't actually believe in the religion. I also know several atheists that believe in the basic principles of the Christian belief, however they don't call themselves Christians. Christianity is a very broad spectrum of religions and beliefs.

on May 06, 2009

Leauki


'Why We Believe in Gods'



I believe in G-d because my parents told me that there is one.

Essentially I believe in G-d for the same reason that I don't wet my pants.

 

 

With respect, to believe in something just because you parents told you, its a big mistake
fammily tradtions got a devastating effect on progress, not all of them ofcourse.
For excample my dad keeps telling me that trading shares is like a game at the casino
the house always win, while in fact i trade shares and only for the past 4 months i earned about 20.000$
with innitial invesment of 50.000, it took me 4 months to pay back about 40% of the innitial investment.
and remember we are in a middle of a crisis here, where shares have a high tendancy to drop

on May 06, 2009

With respect, to believe in something just because you parents told you, its a big mistake

No, it is not. But it is a mistake to doubt your parents' words if you have no reason to do so other than the knowledge that there is no evidence for what they said and no evidence against it. When in doubt, trust the people who did everything for you. That's the basis of society.

My parents were right on the toilet issue. I assume they knew what they were talking about in general.

The older I get the more I notice how often they were right. Why doubt one of the most important teachings now?

 

family tradtions got a devastating effect on progress, not all of them ofcourse.
For excample my dad keeps telling me that trading shares is like a game at the casino
the house always win, while in fact i trade shares and only for the past 4 months i earned about 20.000$
with innitial invesment of 50.000, it took me 4 months to pay back about 40% of the innitial investment.
and remember we are in a middle of a crisis here, where shares have a high tendancy to drop

I think it is stupid to invest in shares to make quick profits. MOST people are not as lucky as you were.

Your dad was right.

Incidentally, short-term investments are not "progress". And advice to stay out of risky share gambling does not have a "devastating effect on progress".

 

 

on May 06, 2009

I consider myself to be a Christian, but I don't claim a denomination nor do I claim a church. You can be Christian and yet not go to church or even tell anyone about it. What belief system you follow is up to you. I've seen more than one person who claims they are Christian and all their religion consists of is going to church when they feel like it or in order to secure their place in the afterlife, but don't actually believe in the religion. I also know several atheists that believe in the basic principles of the Christian belief, however they don't call themselves Christians. Christianity is a very broad spectrum of religions and beliefs.

Very true.

Theoretically there could even be (and probably are) fully atheistic Christians, who believe in no god but do believe that Jesus was a great teacher and saviour. They are hence "Christians" because they believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but not that he was in fact annointed by a god (maybe he was annointed by the universe or by his deeds and teachings).

I respect any such belief.

 

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