Look lulapilgim that's what I said. Essentially what you said.

As far as when is a person a person is concerned there is no consensus by science on this. You can find various opinions on this from different scientists and doctors. This question will never be decided. Even if a law were passed or a Supreme Court ruling were made, either way,There would  be people who wouldn't agree.

For me it all boils down to what the woman who is pregnant decides. I don't like it when men try to get involved. I don't think that even the Father should be able to decide. It's up to each woman. It's their bodies, it's their souls, for those who believe in souls.

Look, I was raised Catholic and all my life, even in the 1950's, I saw hypocrisy in the Catholic church. The whole deal with pedophile priests has been going on for a long long time. Usually in my experience where there's smoke there's fire. I don't listen to or believe what Catholics say about religion. I don't think that following Jesus is the only way to get to heaven. So it follows that I don't listen to what the Church says about science. I listen to scientists if I want to learn about science.

TETLEYTEA,

Yes, I've got to go with your last statement.

We've got to understand that we are looking at that Biblcal passage from a very human standpoint and in addressing a message to mankind, God spoke in a way which was intelligible to them. But even understanding that because God regretted creating mankind doesn't mean He made a mistake.

Almighty God does not make mistakes.

For more context, let's include verse 5, "And God seeing that the wickedness of men was great on the earth, and that all the thought of their heart was bent upon evil at all times, 6 The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

So what are we to take away from this message in the Bible? 

That the giving of free will to angels and to mankind was reqired, but it was also a great risk.

That it can't be denied that since all mankind chose to use their free will against God and His commands, it is from a realistic analysis very regretful.

But the big question is whether it all was worth it that God created in the first place.

The answer is yes, because once God began His Creation there was no turning back.  He created mankind with free will becasue He wanted a people for Himself and so for the one faithful person in Noah, He salvaged what He could from wickedness. 

Well, truth is there is a mountain of scientific and medical consensus and technology on this. Renowned scientists and geneticists have testified before Congress that life begins at conception. It's just that people don't want to know scientific proof exists is the problem. They prefer Planned Parenthood lies that "it's just a blog of tissue". 

There are a number of scientific and medical facts that prove life begins at conception, that is from the moment the male sperm unites with a female ovum and a new and unique human life is created. this tiny new, human creature has all of the genetic information that a fully developed person has. No new genetic information will be added throughout the person's lifetime. This is no tissue blog, rather it's an incrediblly complex new individual creation. 

Your approach lacks realism and that might be because you've bought into the abortion sophistry. Men ARE involved and should be involved.

Re; the highlighted...

Pregnancy is not only about the woman's body. The mother and the baby each have a distinctive genetic code. Each are unique. Becasue of the unique genetic code we know that the baby in the womb is not merely a part of his mother's body, although the baby resides there and needs the very same essentials to live that a two year old outside the womb needs to reach adulthood, namely, time, air, water and food.

Even if it is granted that the mother has the right to control her own body, she does not have the right to destroy someone else's body in the process. that's what happens in abortion...the question never gets asked, "What about the baby's body"?

I'm completely against abortion other than as a life-saving measure.  But you can't kick in the door and force women to deliver a baby,

I'll be perfectly clear--reaching into the womb and shredding a healthy baby with razor sharp instruments or pouring caustic saline in or crowning the scalp and punching a spike into the brain are horrendous acts of violence--no matter how you try to pretty them up.

A women does have control of her body--before she gets pregnant.  Performing abortions at the point of significant fetal development to me is incomprehensible.

You can't argue with a black man.

Best video I have seen since I don't know when. K for you MortalKhrist!! 

I did....

All the way from Oz to NY, opposite Macy's in a Leather shop.....and he had to tell me they'd whipped our arses in the cricket.....

OK, so he wan't any more 'American' than me, really....

Bought a great coat from him though....

Thanks for sharing the video MortalKhrist

A good message for beginnning the New Year.

(Faith) believing in Christ is not enough (for St.James 2:19 tells us even the demons believe); it's believing and living His Gospel that will get us through this valley of tears. 

Sinperium; Science is also dispassionate … so it is up to us to control how we use our instruments (guns). Abortions happen naturally all over the world so I am not getting the God angle here??? Or is this one of those mystical things that is Devine for the Goose … but it isn’t for the gander’s chicks??? Legal and/or moral are not the same and since it is ‘legal’, this must be just a moral decision and as individuals … this responsibility belongs to the people involved … not to the onlookers. Anyone who values life has no problem concerning infanticide … unless circumstances prompt them to act otherwise. From the Catholic propaganda, all aborted fetuses go to Heaven anyway, and I guess what empty-headed souls are going to do there is for another discussion that I won’t be involved with, hahaha.

PS: I have been busy but I will get back to you ASAIC (Urban Dictionary). MTC

Really?  When I was a kid and forced to be a part of the Roman Catholic faith, the general doctrine was you went to hell until you were baptized because of original sin, and that included aborted fetuses, still born babies, and those that died for whatever reason shortly after birth prior to receiving the sacrament.  I've refused to participate in religion in general for more then 20 years so it's possible things have changed, but I'm pretty sure the thinking where the sacrament of Baptism is concerned is still the same.

They can scare good Christian women into not getting an abortion simple because they don't want to send the child's soul to hell, whereas if they automatically went to heaven, why not just do it and spare them from a lifetime of torment and suffering?

Mmmmm.... lovin the vid MortalKhrist.   Well put.  All the rest is details.

And as far as abortions go... the fall of America is on the backs of those that where not permitted to live.  This country, its people, its "justice" is guilty of allowing mass murder.  No other way I can say it.

But that is getting a bit off topic.

So how about that science of when life really "begins?"  Is it murder to smash a fertilized chicken egg?  I bet it is to that unborn chicken...

I don't blur the lines with science I sharpen it with perspective.  That is my view on religion vs science.  Science is the evidence, to the perspective of religion, which all points to God.  It all pulls, like the Sun - to the Son.  (like that play on words)

Stant123; sorry you are right of course. I was reading a speech from some Catholic answer man and he made that statement concerning abortions but I don’t know if I have the constitution to revisit Catholic dogma to find the source. … oh I remember it was a YouTube  … but this clip is telling me the wrong message is getting spread.

That video is the thoughts of a scared and remorseful young lady trying to justify what she had done to make herself feel better physically, emotionally, and morally.  She says "I believe that all aborted babies go to heaven", not that her pastor said it, or the church in general.  If anyone confuses that video for an official statement of the Catholic church, or any church, then they have issues with understanding what is said to them.  I can only assume that the 'answer man' is probably also trying to help young women feel better emotionally and morally to help them be less depressed and speed along recovery physically.  Probably setting them up for the chance to go back to church and pray for forgiveness or whatever and deal with the impact of the decisions they've been making up to that point.  For the greater good, right?

To me it doesn't matter which way they go with because it's all just silly nonsense, but some people do need that belief to live their lives.  I don't ever knock anyone for their beliefs, I only knock them for trying to push their beliefs onto others. 

Forget about. If you all want to back to the first part of the 20th century go right ahead. I for one don't.

There were actually laws back then that prohibited people from using birth control. In some states if a man wore a rubber he could get thrown in jail!

I don't want a church telling me what I can do or can't do in the bedroom. I don't want a church telling my daughters that their bodies are not theirs. I don't want anybody preaching at me about what is right or wrong in their eyes. I live a moral life. I don't need Bible thumping people preaching at me about birth control or how scientists are wrong. These are the same people who say there is no climate change yet I was out today in NW Indiana and saw insects outside and it's January 4th.

If certain people need to take refuge in the Bible and their church that's fine but please don't push your moral agenda on me because when push comes to shove I will push back.

Ah, but is it "pushing their beliefs" or genuine concern?  If one believes in the afterlife, then wouldn't one want to warn/help their friends and family?

I still think abortion is murder, plain and simple - regardless of where the babies go, or how the mother "feels."  Feelings got those women into that mess.... just say NO dam it!  And carry a glock.

EDIT: and Greetings from another cold Indiana native