UB = spit and run. Honestly the most worthless demigod in the game. morso then the torch bearer. and that's saying a lot. no wait, 2 way tie between UB and Rook. Both are unbelivabley terrible.

It confuses me to no end when players die to assassins. I don't mean in gang up scenarios, i mean in general play. Assassins cannot compete with generals 1v1. The only way for assassins to kill generals is to gang up on them and hope the general is dumb enough to walk into it.

This is a quality post.

One of my more common ways of dying to regulus or UB is that they charge in with a double wave of creeps and I just don't notice them (this happens most frequently when I'm trying to battle oak or rook).

I believe regulus can get some easy kills using lucky mines and a snipe, but this happens to me a lot less now that I'm usually surrounded by a cloud of pets

I haven't played against a really competent rook yet, but I've heard his boulder throw can keep you stunned long enough for him to hammer smash you to death if he times it right

I've found I'm really powerful with Oak, but less so with the assasins. (I still haven't tried sedna, I'm superstitious enough to think playing a hero of the opposite sex is incredibly unlucky.)

I don't think the assasins are weaker, I think they just take more skill and practice to master.

As for me, I can pretty much handle my own vs any DG, except UB.  No matter what I do, or what DG I use, UB seems to kill me.  And I don't mean that in the end of a battle, I die, I mean I just seem to die in seconds.  If I run, he keeps up with me.  Heal, his diseases keep killing me. Stay and fight = I get in a hit or two before it's off to limbo for 30 secs.

ONLY with the catlady do I survive, and that's only because I might be able to spam a heal as I run away the second I see him.  But that's all I can do; run away.  Killing him with her is not an option. . .

Your analysis is thorough and enlightening.  The scientific community owes you a great debt of gratitude.

On another note, it's a good thing this game is largely regarded as team oriented and most kills will be the result of strategy and careful planning.  But boy are you right!  LAWL all over those assassin's faces, man.  Only for the nubs, amirite?!

Let's get together sometime.  I'll bring some people, you bring some people.  It'll be great fun.

Unfortuately I am speaking of solely pantheon games, so I couldn't be Erebus. I am asking for advice on UB because he seems to be the only Demigod I ever come across on pantheon. I swear most Darkness forces use him. It's annoying. And I am tired of seeing the same combo over and over again. Spit, run, spit, chase + other UB moves sometimes.

You also must consider that maybe you had a much better teammate than I did. My teammate quit in the game BECAUSE of the dual UB spit combo. Left me hanging to finish the match.

Try Oak. Put your exp points into shield, it negates the effects of spit and a lot of UBs other moves. Pestilence or whatever it's called it's extremely useful because not only does it do high damage.... it slows UB down. So if he runs off after finding out his spit bullshit didn't work, Use pest... and then give chase.... however... here's the bullshit part.... by the time you give chase and start wailing at him, he's got spit back... it has a low cooldown...and guess what... your shield will still be charging. Now you're screwed, unless you can find some creeps to keep your health up if you have divine justice and the AOE skill. Oak is the cloest I can get to beating UB... however... because of UBs fast cooldown of spit... he can still just as easily kill you. Gawd it sucks.

With his low mana pool UB can spit 3 max 4 times. Oak can survive this and with smart shield usage+ a potion stay relatively fresh aswell. Then UBs out of mana for spit or other abilities, while oak is angry as hell and ready to rumble!

No, but he's right. Most intelligently played generals are able to repel assasins single handedly, but it's a rare situation when the same can be said for an assasin vs. a general. Perhaps the only exception to this is a Rook with a full set of Towers of Light set up, but of course that takes quite a bit of time to prepare.

And not only that, but in a 2 v 2 situation, 2 generals or 1 general + 1 assasin is typically going to have the upper hand on 2 assasins. Assasins have little durability or utility to rely on for survivability, aside from some stuns or snares which generals also posses on top of shields, temporary invulnerabilities, heals, and the like.

Also, of course it's a team game, but even in a team game, there will be instances where a player is facing another one on one, even if it is a brief amount of time. And what happens during that brief 1 on 1 showdown can have an effect on the game later on when the other teammates catch up.

Don't get me wrong -- assasins are far from useless, but only if they're being backed up by a general. The same is not true for generals: an all-general team will do just fine, even if they are a little lacking in burst.

Also, lol @ catlady...

They should definitely make her a demigod.

BWAAAHAAAHAAA

Rook is great for forcing ground on a UB. His structural transfer skill even at level 2 can pretty much negate spit if you have the mana. Pop towers and even if you cant kill the UB, you can push him back by moving your towers forward. Oaks pretty good vs UB 1v1 if he has his minions. If not just run away. I think spit DOES need to be tweaked to have a much longer recharge time. You can kill a demigod early on with just 2 spits. (Regulus atleast) Thats kinda silly.

I play Rook and Oak and very rarely do I get killed, because I play like a coward and always make sure Ive got a wide avenue of retreat. Take it slow and crawl your way across the map and all those UB spits will just amount to annoying.

Ok, I may not be able to tell you how to beat the Unclean Beast players (and since he's my preferred Demingod...no offense, but it's not in my vested interest to tell you ALL of my tricks!!) but I'll help you with why they're beating you.

A) UB is faster than other DGs, yes...but only very marginally, and not enough that he'll catch you if you keep a modicum of distance from him early on. The thing is, many UB players supplement his speed by getting the 10% speed boost boots right off the bat. If he does, and you don't...then he has the speed advantage. Personally, I get them booties about 8 of every 10 games I play. Speed is my bread and butter on that class.

Spit alone is not going to kill you, even at the very beginning of the game. It doesn't do really nasty damage until later when, I fully admit, it seems to be too much of a good thing for a melee Demigod to have, in my opinion. But just to set the record straight; I have an alternate build for the Unclean Beast that DOESN'T use Spit beyond level 1, and this build is *harder* to deal with than the Spitting UB.

Ok, so I've given you two pieces of info; yes he's faster than you off the bat, but not by much...and yes, Spit is annoying but it won't kill you when the game first starts. Now think of the following....

I don't know about you, but I play the same no matter what Demigod I am using; I try to get levels early on without having to engage the enemy. Creeps, capturing flags, and DENYING those flags from my enemy; fighting them just enough to make them give up on a flag my side holds. I don't feel the point of the game, right from the onset, is to kill everything that moves. The point is to strengthen my Demigod by any means necessary, to build up my Citadel, and THEN go after enemy Demigods. So what does that mean?

Harass, harass, harass. Everyone says the UB is the "perfect harassing Demigod", but the same can be said of Regulus with his Mine/Snipe spam. or the Rook with his Tower creeping, or Oak with his "Shield/Hit/Hit/Run" tactics, or Sedna with her damn "Peck-peck-peck-HEAL-run" tactic. The thing about UB is; no matter what the player does, UB's got two glaring weaknesses early on which you can exploit. They are (you watching here?): ONE, low hitpoints. UB cannot take damage for beans early on. Seriously. Two to three solid hits and I'm down to half hitpoints. TWO, limited mana pool and a REALLY mana hungry early ability. Sure, I can Spit on you. Once. Twice. Then I'm just about done. I won't be spitting again for a nice while. I've also (probably) gimped my income early on as I have spent all my gold on Speed boots and don't even have enough at first for a teleport scroll or any kind of potion.

So what to do? Well, for starters...carry a health pot or three. If you see a UB coming, go where he is not...kill some creeps, capture a flag, go for his partner, attack one of his towers. Early on, focus on getting some levels and NOT on killing him. If you really want him dead, call one of your allies for help. Bait him, make him chase you, get your partner to jump him and keep running away. The UB may feel you've run off and stay to fight your partner; turn back, and surprise the UB. If you get spit on, pop a potion and run away, then go back. You can heal yourself, he most likely cannot.

Also, keep in mind that most players tend to think the UB is really tougher than he is at first. Later in the game, he is a truly scary animal (give me a Heart of Life and NOTHING ELSE and my UB will make most players cry for their mommies) but early on, he just doesn't have the sort of advantage you think he does. Being Spit on isn;t the end of a fight at levels 1 or 2 or 3. Use that to your advantage, and use the tools the game gives you to suck up his mana and then it's melee only. And early on, he just...doesn't...hit...that...hard.

I guess I am saying; use your head, don't psych yourself out, and do to him what he is (no doubt) trying to do to you; make HIM run, make HIM avoid YOU, and don't bother trying to kill him right off the bat. Make him give up on what he needs; flags, map placement, and easy access to Creeps.