Musings about the world around me, the world I create in my mind, and the world I am escaping to in a game.

Has it ever occured to anyone that, over the course of history, humans often come to the conclusion that anything that cannot be explained at the moment is automatically considered to be supernatural? For example, the Greeks. They had a god for just about anything that they could not explain with their means of science or technology at the time. How else could they explain the torrent of fire and molten lava that spwes out of a volcano? By claiming that Hephasteus is simply working in his forge of course.

But fast forward to today. And we know that isn't the case. The advent of computers, automobiles, airplanes, etc etc etc, would simply astound the Ancient Greeks. They would consider us gods. They would be unable to speak out of pure awe.

And since science is never ending in the sense that, with each question answered, more questions are formed... we still do not have a logical explanation for God. That being that supposedly judges us from afar, and moves through us all.

Think about it though... what if we just haven't reached the technological threshold to explain it yet?

It could be possible, that "God" is nothing more than a wave that interacts with our matter. Influencing our decisions with maybe electrical impulses or something similar. Religion is making "god" more important than it really is. With the advent of more powerful technology, we may be able to see what it is that moves through us all. More than likely, it is just another force of nature. It justs exists. It is there, always has been. But it is not a being, it is not something to worship... it is just not something we can understand. YET.

Basically, what I am trying to say is, we humans have proven over time that with the advent of better technology we can understand the ways of nature around us. So what's to stop us from unlocking the secrets of the universe? As well as explaining what "god" really is? We just can't comprehend it yet... but we will in time I think. Just like we did with volcanoes, oceans, telephones, airplanes, etc etc etc.

Religion is powerful in many ways no doubt. It helps certain people get through rough times, and to them, it explains the way things are as well giving them a code of ethics that they can follow. But religion is also on a way ticket to being obsolete. If science can bridge the gap between the two, what now?

Now just so everyone knows, I am not trying to attack anyones beliefs, I am merely wondering outloud if the above could be the case. I would also like to hear what other people have to say. Please be open-minded, and rational.

I will explain in better detail some ideas that I have heard as well some of my own if a great dialogue can be established.


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on Jan 29, 2012

BoobzTwo
Quoting AlLanMandragoran, reply 992AlLanMandragoranI haven't won anything because I am not trying to. The only point to make here is you just gave up ... and that is self-defeat and has nothing to do with me. All most people have to do is make their own arguments and present their own facts instead of using everyone else’s statements as a base ... but Christians are just not big on facts because they just get in the way of conducting BAU. You never did say if you were actually a Christian but you got Irate when you thought that is what we thought be it true or not ... SO...

lol k

on Jan 29, 2012

MortalKhrist
That can be used right back at you. You can't disprove his existence either.
I don’t have to, go away if this is all you got. It is not beholden on me to disprove your god for you ... hahaha ... especially while you are incapable of proving your own case??? Are you really that insecure? I could just as meaninglessly ask you to prove the dark side of the moon doesn't exist ... but it actually does ... and that changes everything.

 

on Jan 29, 2012

AlLanMandragoran
AlLanMandragoran
Sorry, I know I get carried away at times but I am really harmless (on line, hahaha).

on Jan 29, 2012

Smoothseas
Smoothseas
Good reference (Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism) ... but it will not answer any question unless someone starts looking for their own answers … not on the horizon I am afraid.

on Jan 29, 2012

BoobzTwo
but it will not answer any question

This one might let you in on "the experience" so that you might finally know what it is

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14417362

You'll just need a ticket on a slow boat to China Holland to get in on it.

on Jan 29, 2012

This thread has survived for 2 1/2 years.

It's possibly a record for a thread of contentious subject matter....however recent comments suggest its life is going to be limited with closure imminent.

Argue the topic, not the person.

on Jan 30, 2012

Smoothseas
Smoothseas
Good reference … an eye opener huh… Strict Christian (theological) orthodoxy has always been the problem. A literal interpretation of the bible was a doomed ploy before it even took root because the people of those times just didn’t know enough about their own world to be able to literally incorporate any of it into a book that should have no real meaning today. Had they kept this mysticism of theirs in the philosophical realm of righteous parables, I think the religions of the world could have thrived in peace? But many churches are keen to work with anyone who believes in "something". They believe that only through adaptation can their religions survive.

on Jan 30, 2012

BoobzTwo
into a book that should have no real meaning today.

It does can potentially teach the "morality of Christ" so in that respect is can be a useful way to teach ethics. I went to Sunday school as a kid and I did learn there to "play nice" as one might say. I went to a Congregational Church which are autonomous so much is left up to the pastor. When I started going to services and in particular bible study that is when I really started to question certain things and I had a pastor who basically said it is up to the individual to define their personal God. So I did (and still do) and it always comes out much the same. An individual (man-made) concept which the individual defines for themselves. So it will always be much the same with me until something actually proves it is something more than that. I have no purpose for religious rituals or having another authoritarian tell me what to do to make my life more meaningful or give it a purpose. I can and have figured that out for myself without having to pass the collection plate to purchase an answer.

I could probably call myself a Christian but you know where that goes. Others I know who think much the same sometimes do call themselves Christians at times....after all for some "strange" reason not doing so can be "bad for business".

 

 

 

on Jan 30, 2012

BoobzTwo

Quoting MortalKhrist, reply 1003That can be used right back at you. You can't disprove his existence either.I don’t have to, go away if this is all you got. It is not beholden on me to disprove your god for you ... hahaha ... especially while you are incapable of proving your own case??? Are you really that insecure? I could just as meaninglessly ask you to prove the dark side of the moon doesn't exist ... but it actually does ... and that changes everything.

 

 

Everytime someone says something that makes you realize you're wrong. You get mad and just call people names and bitch some more.

on Jan 30, 2012

MortalKhrist; every time someone says something that makes convinces me I am wrong … why I am amazed ... and then I change my opinion and trudge ever onward with something new in my arsenal ... more knowledge than I had before. Whatever you were trying to say I guess is between you and your maker ... because it is just balderdash … oh, IMO.

on Jan 30, 2012

Smoothseas
Smoothseas
Been there ... done that ... I know. No matter what corners I tried to cut or ground I gave away ... it always came back to just one thing ... the whole enchilada or nothing so … on with my life.

on Jan 30, 2012

BoobzTwo
Been there ... done that ... I know.

How could you possibly know? You can't know. You have not had the same "experience" as me!!

Oh wait. Nobody else has had the same experience as me....Geez never thought of that....DOH

 

on Jan 30, 2012

BoobzTwo
MortalKhrist; every time someone says something that makes convinces me I am wrong … why I am amazed ... and then I change my opinion and trudge ever onward with something new in my arsenal ... more knowledge than I had before. Whatever you were trying to say I guess is between you and your maker ... because it is just balderdash … oh, IMO.

 

What I said was fact, not opinion. You can't prove or disprove the existence of God.

 

Also, would you please think before you post? I feel like you don't put your arguments in a logical order. So I never know what you are trying to say.

on Jan 30, 2012

MortalKhrist
I feel like you don't put your arguments in a logical order. So I never know what you are trying to say.
Obviously ... you forgot to cross out the word makes ... but it sure hasen't stopped you from commenting.

on Jan 30, 2012

MortalKhrist
Everytime someone says something that makes you realize you're wrong.

What exactly do you think others have wrong? If it is specifically that God does exist to you and that God doesn't exist to someone else then only you are wrong. Wrong not because God does or doesn't exist but wrong because if you state that the other cannot prove or disprove it  than neither can you prove or disprove it.

The "prove or can't prove" argument doesn't work because that would infer both sides were agnostic which obviously isn't the case here.

The point of view of an atheist is that to believe God as a supernatural being, would require a certain level of proof, and since adequate proof is determined by each individuals own unique set of life experiences, to that individual there is ultimately not enough proof or maybe no proof at all or maybe enough proof that reveals God to be something else altogether.

 

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