Getting EXTREME lag 2000+ ping in all 3 vs 3 games.

Published on May 2, 2009 By Gh0st_Note- In Demigod Technical Support

Is this a result of my internet connection, or is there something else I'm missing. I followed The_Monks guide on setting up a network for Demigod, but I still get these problems. I am wondering if it could be the "cascading nat" scenario because I have a DSL router modem.... which is then hooked up into a wireless router. Could this maybe be the case? Or just my internet connection?

is that normally sufficient for this game? I don't get lag in most other games, if rarely. Aslong as I find a good server i'm perfectly lag free, although that maybe because those are server/client games.

Just to let you guys know, 2 vs 2 games work well enough. 3 vs 3 though... like topic title says, I get 2000+ping almost every game. It fluctuates and jumps all over the place. I am not downloading anything while I play, I also shut off firewalls, so forth, as well as running what The_Monk guides suggests doing. Any ideas what could be the problem?

According to speedtest my internet speed is...

[URL=http://www.speedtest.net][/URL] It fluctuates obviously... But I assume this is considered a 768kb connection right? When I download things my normal speed is 90.KBps

Comments (Page 2)

Gh0st_Note-

on May 02, 2009

stryker247

reply 11

Quoting Protocept00, reply 4
Quoting Nokthra, reply 3A 3on3 needs about 15kb/s upload. You have ~16kb/s upload. I don´t see, why your ping would be so extremely high. But your ping to the nearest server at speedtest.net is very high. Do you have other persons using your connection at the same time?
As far as I know, no. I'd made sure. I powered off Nintendo Wiis, Iphones, and other things that could be hogging bandwidth. I still am not sure. I cannot think of anything else that could be getting in the way. Like I said though 2 vs 2 games are fine, but 3 vs 3 I get really high 1000-3000 pings. Sometimes a player will drop out, and the problem is fixed, so far 3 vs 2 also works relatively fine. I just want to elaborate that this happens in EVERY 3 vs 3 game. The player dropping out only happened once.

Not to treat you dumb but do you have security over your network. What mean by security like a pw and only certian devices with mac addresses allowed on your network.Someone next door could be useing ur network id\f you do not.

Also if your going wireless that may be the problem it should not matter but it could be.

Yes, I have security on my network. I use WEP with rotating passwords. No, I am not dumb. Demigod is the only game I have connection issues and lag with, thus why I am here trying to figure this out as I've never had a problem before.

XSive_Death

on May 02, 2009

This is an issue with Demigod -and- Dawn of War 2, as soon as you reach a "critical mass" of players (usually 6, so a 3v3) the spiking occurs. I've run around in circles trying to identify the cause, the game, the connections, the players, the PC, the ISP etc etc. My current avenue of approach is that because the game is p2p and uses TCP/UDP as soon as you transfer to 5 other people, your ISP is flagging you as a filesharer and hitting you with a DoS attack (which then prevents you from sending any information at all, hence the spiking). I'm going through my send/recieve packets one by one from the last game i had to try and corroborate this.

Ceylin

on May 02, 2009

Is comcast known to do this? Does anyone know? Because that would be a large bummer if I could never get in a big game to do packet shaping.

scyldSCHEFING

on May 03, 2009

XSive_Death

reply 17

My current avenue of approach is that because the game is p2p and uses TCP/UDP as soon as you transfer to 5 other people, your ISP is flagging you as a filesharer and hitting you with a DoS attack (which then prevents you from sending any information at all, hence the spiking).

Again, if this is true, you can avoid this problem using GameRanger or Hammachi. I can't play DG for a similar reason, that I get huge pings when I try to use the native netcode. However, I can use GameRanger to play DG.

Gh0st_Note-

on May 03, 2009

I have yet to see a legit Demigod game on Gameranger. Kinda disappointing. I don't really want to play with pirates, nor do I want to rollback the updates just to play with them.

scyldSCHEFING

on May 03, 2009

Protocept00

reply 20

I have yet to see a legit Demigod game on Gameranger. Kinda disappointing. I don't really want to play with pirates, nor do I want to rollback the updates just to play with them.

Again, GameRanger is the only way I play the game, and I only play against purchased and fully upgraded players, so I can attest to the fact that there are people playing the game with legitimate copies.

At the very least, testing the game with GameRanger will let you know if it's an intrinsic issue with your upload speed or if it's possible that your network is just de-prioritizing P2P connections.

Gh0st_Note-

on May 03, 2009

scyldSCHEFING

reply 21

Quoting Protocept00, reply 20I have yet to see a legit Demigod game on Gameranger. Kinda disappointing. I don't really want to play with pirates, nor do I want to rollback the updates just to play with them.
Again, GameRanger is the only way I play the game, and I only play against purchased and fully upgraded players, so I can attest to the fact that there are people playing the game with legitimate copies.

At the very least, testing the game with GameRanger will let you know if it's an intrinsic issue with your upload speed or if it's possible that your network is just de-prioritizing P2P connections.

Would it be alright if I added you to my gameranger friend list so we can do some 3 vs 3 and above connection tests?

scyldSCHEFING

on May 03, 2009

Of course! My name on GR is the same as here.

Though Frogboy was lamenting elsewhere that the community is fracturing due to things like GameRanger, I'm happy to have another legitimate person join up the GR Demigod community, so long as they can't play the game using Impulse.

Gh0st_Note-

on May 03, 2009

scyldSCHEFING

reply 23

Of course! My name on GR is the same as here.

Though Frogboy was lamenting elsewhere that the community is fracturing due to things like GameRanger, I'm happy to have another legitimate person join up the GR Demigod community, so long as they can't play the game using Impulse.

I agree, I just got done testing a game ranger 3 vs 3 to see if that helps. Well, I found out I just flat out need to upgrade my connection. My upload just isn't fast enough. Hoever, I can still host and play 2vs 2 just fine... still gonna upgrade though. Add me to your gameranger though regardless! I'll be hopping on game ranger from time to time to play with players who cant connect to the main game.

Ghost

on May 03, 2009

I don't think the speed of your connection is to blame. I have the same problem as you with spikes, and my internet connection is better than yours:

Please note that it's the same server as you tested, but i'm from Europe, ~5650 miles away. And the spikes i get are with european players, not US players!

Gh0st_Note-

on May 03, 2009

Dead Ghost

reply 25

I don't think the speed of your connection is to blame. I have the same problem as you with spikes, and my internet connection is better than yours:

Please note that it's the same server as you tested, but i'm from Europe, ~5650 miles away. And the spikes i get are with european players, not US players!

I think your spiking problem would be fix with the new proxies, I'm not sure about mine though. It's a constant 2000+ lag... sometimes it fluctuates, but usually it's constant.

Ceeshond

on May 20, 2009

This really sucks....

I just played a 3V3 without any lag so i thought my problems were over.... so i start up a new game and BAM

...

Back at a constant fluctuation of 300-2000 ping. It seems so random.. i really hope they can find the problem here.. The game that went ok before sorta proves its not all me. Im not downloading or doing anything, but still one game works fine and the next lags like crazy

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