Musings about the world around me, the world I create in my mind, and the world I am escaping to in a game.

Has it ever occured to anyone that, over the course of history, humans often come to the conclusion that anything that cannot be explained at the moment is automatically considered to be supernatural? For example, the Greeks. They had a god for just about anything that they could not explain with their means of science or technology at the time. How else could they explain the torrent of fire and molten lava that spwes out of a volcano? By claiming that Hephasteus is simply working in his forge of course.

But fast forward to today. And we know that isn't the case. The advent of computers, automobiles, airplanes, etc etc etc, would simply astound the Ancient Greeks. They would consider us gods. They would be unable to speak out of pure awe.

And since science is never ending in the sense that, with each question answered, more questions are formed... we still do not have a logical explanation for God. That being that supposedly judges us from afar, and moves through us all.

Think about it though... what if we just haven't reached the technological threshold to explain it yet?

It could be possible, that "God" is nothing more than a wave that interacts with our matter. Influencing our decisions with maybe electrical impulses or something similar. Religion is making "god" more important than it really is. With the advent of more powerful technology, we may be able to see what it is that moves through us all. More than likely, it is just another force of nature. It justs exists. It is there, always has been. But it is not a being, it is not something to worship... it is just not something we can understand. YET.

Basically, what I am trying to say is, we humans have proven over time that with the advent of better technology we can understand the ways of nature around us. So what's to stop us from unlocking the secrets of the universe? As well as explaining what "god" really is? We just can't comprehend it yet... but we will in time I think. Just like we did with volcanoes, oceans, telephones, airplanes, etc etc etc.

Religion is powerful in many ways no doubt. It helps certain people get through rough times, and to them, it explains the way things are as well giving them a code of ethics that they can follow. But religion is also on a way ticket to being obsolete. If science can bridge the gap between the two, what now?

Now just so everyone knows, I am not trying to attack anyones beliefs, I am merely wondering outloud if the above could be the case. I would also like to hear what other people have to say. Please be open-minded, and rational.

I will explain in better detail some ideas that I have heard as well some of my own if a great dialogue can be established.


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on Feb 04, 2012

It's quite possible to perceive things outside of the five senses and to limit "reality" to only them is pretty contradicted by the entirety of quantum science.

We live in a quantum universe yet have no possibility of any sort of common quantum perceptions--outside taste, touch, sight and hearing?  I'd completely reject that as an ad hoc limitation.  It's a contrivance to set boundaries we can "measure" and thus more easily grasp and understand.  It doesn't imply "all understanding and perception" must be confined  within strictly material parameters.

Mathematics describe matter and energy--the things our senses can sometimes perceive--but it also describes far more things that are beyond our senses.  Does math simply describe physical objects or is the observation of physical object described by the observer and perceived mathematically and processed mentally as a "sense"?  If the latter is tru in any way, then mathematics is a common quantum perception/interaction with reality.

There is a lot more we don't know about reality than what we do at present.

on Feb 04, 2012

Sinperium
It's quite possible to perceive things outside of the five senses

Certainly but that is usually called imagining,dreaming,speculating, or hallucinating.

on Feb 04, 2012

"Usually".

 

on Feb 04, 2012

Glad we cleared that up.

on Feb 04, 2012


Debate at your leisure...but it is probably the greatest waste of human time you can possibly EVER undertake.

 

That is why I don't put huge amounts of time into my posts.... It isn't worth it.  Besides, my views sofar match Sinperium's quite well.... So I'll let him do the talking

 

I'll just drop my little one liners that totally screw you all's thinking

 

 

And on that note....

 

If "god" is a human construct, is it a defect of human nature then?  And if it is, how come it hasn't been "evolved" away, like by natural selection and such?  It seems from the time of humans ability to communicate, there has always been a strong focus on a deity.  Interesting, no?

on Feb 04, 2012

religion is just an evolution of superstition. All humans are superstitious it is a simple behaviour modification concept.

on Feb 04, 2012

ChungasRevenge
religion is just an evolution of superstition. All humans are superstitious it is a simple behaviour modification concept.

No it is:

Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.

on Feb 04, 2012

Sinperium
There is a lot more we don't know about reality than what we do at present.
How much we currently 'know' is very much (seemingly?) at issue ... and how much we don't know ... well who really gives a flying fart until we do, huh??? Guess work is left to the theologians.

ChungasRevenge; A right to the  point man ... I like that!!! We could use a little more of that.

on Feb 04, 2012

Smoothseas
Smoothseas
Right so ... just as ChungasRevenge said right ... humm ... well you got me there ... is that what you said too … I mean in other words?

on Feb 04, 2012

SivCorp
If "god" is a human construct, is it a defect of human nature then? And if it is, how come it hasn't been "evolved" away, like by natural selection and such? It seems from the time of human’s ability to communicate, there has always been a strong focus on a deity. Interesting, no?
No ... if you had a saber tooth tiger on your posterior approach often enough ... you would eventually think of something to cover your mental arse call it what you like. The arses’ just keep getting bigger and so do the stories to cover them. It would seem that evolution is weeding out the religions of the world inadvertently mind you, just by presenting the simple truth and making that readily available for anyone interested or really concerned.

on Feb 04, 2012

SivCorp
If "god" is a human construct, is it a defect of human nature then? And if it is, how come it hasn't been "evolved" away, like by natural selection and such? It seems from the time of humans ability to communicate, there has always been a strong focus on a deity. Interesting, no?

'It' has evolved.  No-one [typically] worships Zeus etc....now it's a 'defective construct' predominantly overseen by the RC church .

I don't think the Greek gods were into immaculate conception but once there be popes there be miracles....

Yes, religion 'evolved' through natural selection.....which must really fuck with the creationists' minds...

on Feb 04, 2012

Lol, nothing but assumptions and conjecture from BoobzTwo.... figures.

As more is studied, FEWER scientist are agreeing with your age old evolution crap.  The origin of the species is nothing more than a child's look alike book.

 

Grr... Edit:


Quoting SivCorp, reply 1070If "god" is a human construct, is it a defect of human nature then? And if it is, how come it hasn't been "evolved" away, like by natural selection and such? It seems from the time of humans ability to communicate, there has always been a strong focus on a deity. Interesting, no?

'It' has evolved.  No-one [typically] worships Zeus etc....now it's a 'defective construct' predominantly overseen by the RC church .

I don't think the Greek gods were into immaculate conception but once there be popes there be miracles....

Yes, religion 'evolved' through natural selection.....which must really fuck with the creationists' minds...

 

A good, thought, but the Torah (old testament) was around near the same time as the greek god structure. 

 

You all really have it in for the Roman Catholics, don't you?  (glad I'm not one of them....)

You all need to open your minds to some real Christianity, not that old religion.  Again, there is a difference between God and Religion...  A BIG one.

on Feb 04, 2012

Ah, yes....the Old testament might have been around as long.....just shows that natural selection still saw the OTHERS die out in popularity.

It's always 'quaint' to see people attempt to debunk evolution....as if their religion is on a highway to hell if they embrace evolution TOO.

Pretty pathetic religion if it cannot coexist.

Probably time to find a better one....that Dimwit Hubbard thought he had one....but were it any good it wouldn't attract the brain-dead like Cruise to it.

on Feb 04, 2012

BoobzTwo
Right so ... just as ChungasRevenge said right ... humm ... well you got me there ... is that what you said too … I mean in other words?

No. Religion and superstition are not interchangeable. Some religions are atheistic. Some teach through mythology as well, however they do not claim that their myths are more than just a story. People tend to view religion through the lens of what they know. Simply look at all the religions in the world. Not all of them are based on superstition. Even in Christianity, I know a lot of Christians who totally understand where the symbols in the myths of the Bible are. They are atheistic Christians who definitely practice religion and are definitely not superstitious. Although I do know one who has a superstition phobia regarding Friday the 13th.

 

on Feb 04, 2012

as if their religion is on a highway to hell if they embrace evolution TOO.

What's funny is that their religions are on a highway to hell because they don't accept such things.

Kind of like the Shakers. A religion that at first believed in celibacy.  Took them a while to figure out why that belief wasn't working.

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